Interview with Actress, Joanna Holden
on the play Countess Dracula, A Gothic Comedy
Premiering at Camden People’s Theatre 29th Oct – 1st Nov 2025
see further details after the Q&A
Interview by Louise Cannon (Lou), Bookmarks and Stages
Countess Dracula is primed and ready for Halloween. Just what does this fabled creature have to do with the Menopause? Inspired by Bram Stoker’s famous Dracula, the play turns everything on its head as it promises to explore it all in a uniquely entertaining way.
I recently had the privilege of asking some questions about the play to Joanna Holden. First, here’s a little bit about her working class background and what she’s become renowned for, then we shall begin with the questions. After this, you will find a link to how you can see this play at Halloween.
Joanna Holden is a renowned performer with over 25 years experience as an actor, director, clown and facilitator. Born and raised in a working class family in Scunthorpe, despite a career spanning the globe she has never lost her northern roots. A long time collaborator with Told By An Idiot and John Wright she has also worked with Directors such as Roxana Silbert, Stephen Daldry, Cal McCrystal and Angela De Castro. In an extensive career Joanna has worked with companies including Cirque du Soleil, Kneehigh, The RSC, The National Theatre, Bristol Old Vic, Hull Truck, Soho, The Royal Festival Hall, York Theatre Royal, Theatre By The Lake, Bolton Octagon, Northern Stage and Sheffield Crucible.
What attracted you to the role of Countess Dracula?
The idea that a woman could play one of literature’s most terrifying characters and express that cold blooded, dark, evil soul was exciting to me, especially as a woman of 57. I might not have lived thousands of years, but there’s an awareness of the years I’ve lived, if that makes sense. Going through the menopause, other Dracula characteristics resonated with me: an acute sense of my mortality, a fear of ageing and feeling like the living dead, and the horror that is the menopause for some women. The lack of sleep, what can I do with that nighttime wakefulness and the madness that comes with it! On a more positive note, it has also been interesting to explore the power that Dracula has over his world and the people in it, at a time when I felt I was losing power in my own life. What delight can I find in that, and what lessons can I and we, the audience, explore in that!
There have been many adaptations of Bram Stoker’s original creation of Count Dracula, from stage to film to even a cartoon on TV when he’s a duck. What drew you to the classic book and then to put a whole different spin on it, and do you think Bram Stoker would approve if he was alive today?
One day I was slumped on the underground, holding up my chins, contemplating my tiredness and lack of libido. Who was this person I didn’t quite relate to? The thought of sucking young men’s blood for their testosterone came into my mind, weird as it may sound, and I started to contemplate the idea of a female Dracula allowing her rage, her appetite, her need to survive to be let loose on the world. I started to read the novel and also spoke to other menopausal women who seemed to relate to this comparison, and so began to explore the role of Countess Dracula through the gaze of a menopausal woman. The Dracula or vampire myth is a fertile genre to be played with, adapted and explored, and it continues to fascinate us, which is why I guess there are so many adaptations. I think women in Bram Stoker’s time were viewed, unfortunately, very differently. I would hope Bram would be open minded enough to be excited by the idea!
Do you feel plays that re interpret a classic character draw not only something different from the original text, but draw people to be curious about it again, whether they already know it or are newcomers to it?
I think it draws out recognisable elements from the text and observes them through a different lens for a new audience, using those elements to explore a new angle in an ever changing world. Dracula is in all our psyches, everyone has a notion of who he is and what it’s about, so we are given a head start there and are able to subvert this to say something new. I hope that makes sense. At the same time, the piece should also hopefully stand alone, whether you have read Dracula or not.
The play confronts the menopause and all that it can bring, its rage, sadness, madness and humour. What do you hope to get across to the audience with this essential topic and mixture of emotions?
Half of the audience will go through this or will have been through it, and the other half will have mothers, lovers, etc., who will experience this transition in one way or another. We ran some workshops in Scunthorpe with menopausal women, and they had so much to share and say. They all had different journeys, but there was an overwhelming sense of the need to share, to laugh, to talk, to cry, to be open about their fears, and the sessions were so cathartic. I hope that we can find some of that in our show. It is a journey, and you are changed by it, so how do we embrace that, find acceptance, and at the same time harness the power that comes with the experience?
I have no idea if you’ve been through menopause yourself or not. If you have, is there anything in the play you could relate to, or what research did you feel you had to do so the message was authentic?
I am post menopausal, as are many of my friends, and of course on our team there are partners of menopausal women. The brain fog, the memory loss, the lack of self esteem and confidence, the questioning of who you are, the being disappeared and wanting to disappear, the wanting to shout expletives, they were all there whilst making the show, so they’ve become part of the show. And also, the delightful opportunity to play Countess Dracula with all her power and not give a monkeys what the world thinks!
This adaptation playfully interrogates society’s treatment of ageing women. How is the playful nature achieved, and how important do you feel it is to bring humour to quite serious topics?
I guess we know that it can be a difficult journey, but we don’t want to go to the theatre and see exactly our own lives. We want to be able to laugh at the ridiculous elements, the mad situations when you can’t remember a name, or you’ve put the TV remote in the fridge, or you’ve set off somewhere on the wrong day for the wrong meeting. Through entertainment, we can find a united laughter of recognition and community.
What do you like about Halloween, and do you have any traditions or superstitions you follow?
The opportunity to be naughty, to be outside of etiquette, and to trick or treat, and the opportunity to scare and be scared. It’s the end of the summer, and the dark nights are coming in, with the exciting fear of what happens in the darkness, whether there are ghosts and evil spirits in that darkness. I like to have a tin of sweets by my door for the youngsters, but I can’t fit into my skeleton costume anymore!
Where can people follow you on social media?
@ofthejackel on Instagram is the best way to keep up with everything that is going on with the show.
Countess Dracula will run at Camden People’s Theatre from 29 October – 1 November 2025. Ticket link is HERE.
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